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SUMMARY OF MEETING HELD APRIL 15, 2003

A meeting of the Community Advisory Committee for the Craycroft Road Project was held from 6:00 PM to 7:45 PM at the First Evangelical Free Church, 4700 N. Swan Road.

I.

Welcome, Introductions

Sal Caccavale, meeting moderator, called the meeting to order. The CAC, and other interested parties introduced themselves. CAC members present were Charles A. Geoffrion, Charles "Chuck" Freitas, Donald Baker, Sherman Madere, Kenneth Keating and Julia Gordon, representing Wanda Shattuck. CAC members not present include Mary Grossman, Jerry Lippman, Cecily J. Surace, Susan L. Wicks and David Wolfe. Craycroft team members present included Sal Caccavale, Jeff Weatherford, Bill Pearson, Craig Allison, Lisa Sparr, Annabelle Quihuis, Damon Ballesteros, Kevin Hall, Hank Warner, Nanette Pageau and Lillian Alvarez.

II.

Informational Materials

Nanette distributed a copy of the Craycroft website's homepage and encouraged everyone to visit the website at www.craycroft.info. Nanette also explained that the site is at the beginning stage, and as the project grows the website will reflect these changes, and eventually the construction information updates will be posted. Sal noted that the current project map is available on the website, and will be continually updated. Nanette also noted that there is a place on the website for interested citizens to type in their email address to receive project updates.

Nanette distributed a handout with all CAC members' contact information to be posted on the website and asked that each CAC member advise which information they would like to be included on the website. Nanette encouraged the committee members to make themselves available as much as possible, since the role of the CAC is to represent the community's interests.

Sal then asked the CAC members if they had any comments on the meeting summary from the previous CAC meeting. Sal noted that additions or changes to the previous meeting summary would be addressed at each meeting and noted in the next meeting summary. Nanette added that the meeting summaries would be posted on the website. 

Charles Geoffrion noted that he understood construction was to start in 2004. Sal stated that the construction is intended to start in 2005. The CAC recommendations and comments on the environmental assessment will need to be gathered by September and provided to the Board of Supervisors by November. The design process will continue through June 2004. Right-of-way acquisition will be processed through 2004. The construction bidding process should be underway by fall 2004, and a contractor selected late in the year to start construction in 2005.

Sal indicated that the committee would continue to function through approximately late January or February to discuss landscaping and artwork. Then meetings would be scheduled on a periodic basis primarily for informational purposes.

III.

Traffic

Hank Warner of DMJM + Harris presented information on the traffic studies. Hank stated that a traffic report was completed several years ago to predict what traffic will be like on Craycroft in the future. Hank explained that two methods were employed to estimate future traffic counts. The first one used the Pima Association of Governments' (PAG) computer model. This computer model was utilized to produce a report with a 20 to 25 year traffic projection. The Craycroft Team then generated another traffic estimate, which used the general assumption of a 3% yearly growth rate. This projection came back higher than the PAG estimate; therefore, it will be used for design since it is the more conservative forecast.

Hank moved on to discuss the River Road/Craycroft intersection. Hank explained that a computer model was used to generate the level of service, A through F, depending on the counts taken. River Road/Craycroft was rated as the worst level of service, an F. He noted Sunrise also has a poor level of service. This project, in combination with the Sunrise Drive project (currently being completed), will improve the level of service at these intersections.

Julia Gordon asked if the team is able to determine how long peak periods last. Hank answered that normally it takes place during the regular a.m. and p.m. rush hours; however, other periods of the day may also experience undesirable levels of service.

Jeff Weatherford, Pima County Traffic Engineering, added that counts were also taken during the heavy peaks. These usually occur in the morning from 7:30 a.m. to 9:30-10:00 a.m. and in the afternoon from 2:00 p.m. to about 7:00 p.m. Once an intersection reaches the point of level of service F, the only way to fix it is to add lanes. The level of service is based on the amount of delay that is spent at each intersection. For an urban intersection, level of service D is considered an acceptable rate. This is a delay of 30 to 60 seconds. After the project is completed the level of service should improve to C. In the year 2020, according to Hank's numbers, the intersection should be barely getting to level of service E. It was noted that these peak values are also estimated to be somewhat conservative. 

Charles Geoffrion asked if these numbers take into account the shift (increase) in traffic once the Sunrise improvements are complete. Jeff answered that this construction has definitely increased the traffic on River. If the numbers were looked at before construction, the intersection was probably operating at a halfway decent rate. Once an intersection (two-lane) is handling 14,000 to 15,000 vehicles per day, plans need to be made to widen it to a four-lane roadway. Before Sunrise construction, Craycroft was already handling 16,000 to 17,000 vehicles per day, so it is time for this roadway to be expanded. The 2020 numbers projected north of River are about 30,000. This would not be considered enough to warrant a six-lane roadway, which requires approximately 40,000 vehicles. The four-lane roadway currently planned will provide good levels of service past the year 2020.

Mr. Geoffrion asked if the traffic lights are adjusted according to demand. Jeff responded that the lights are working according to the demand during certain times of day. For example, in the morning the light will provide more green time than around noontime.

Sal added that the 2020 projections in either case show that the widening is needed. The higher numbers are being used to plan the required storage lengths for left and right turns. The higher numbers will also be utilized to do the noise analysis. This will cause the noise analysis to predict higher noise levels, which will favor any needs for warranted noise mitigation measures.

Donald Baker asked if the left turn at the intersection of River and Craycroft was to be taken out. Sal explained that the left turn into the shopping center will remain but the left turn out of the shopping center will no longer be permitted. Mr. Baker noted that he uses the Sunrise and Swan intersection often. On that project, a left turn opening was removed and now traffic trying to go southbound has to make a u-turn at the intersection. The flow on Sunrise is being stopped by all the u-turn traffic. This scenario with all the congestion being created might repeat itself if this intersection is not looked at very closely. Jeff responded that the problem at Sunrise is that the heaviest traffic is in the morning going east to south (a right turn) and in the evening going north to west (a left turn). The reason it was designed this way is to provide sufficient storage for the northbound left turns.

Mr. Baker added that since the numbers being used are numbers that are to occur 20 years from now, why not leave the median open for now and close it up later when higher traffic levels are reached or come up with an alternative. To wait 20 years for something to happen is causing problems (currently) by slowing everybody down. Mr. Baker noted another instance on River Road and Campbell Avenue where three westbound entrances were all closed up and people can no longer make a safe left turn into the shopping center. Hank acknowledged there are advantages and disadvantages in that case. The disadvantage is that if there was a full median opening, the queue from traffic exiting the parking lot would back up into the parking lot and the wait would be very long. There would also be the potential for traffic accidents to shut down the median opening. He pointed out on the map that if a vehicle makes a right turn out of the parking lot and then a u-turn at the next median opening, that this would be a fairly easy and safe maneuver. Mr. Baker pointed out that the level of accessibility that is provided to them affects the businesses and neighbors have to travel an extra mile or so to go someplace else. Hank responded that from a convenience stand point the median opening in the design plans for Craycroft Road will work better, as people will not have to drive far to make a u-turn.

Julia Gordon asked how a vehicle making a u-turn would impact or slow down traffic since its being done on the lagging left signal. Mr. Baker responded that once that vehicle makes the turns it has to be sure to yield to oncoming traffic and to right turn traffic as well.

Sal noted that this project appears to have a better design than others in the area and the county has done its best to learn from past experiences.

Hank briefly reviewed the model numbers on display. He explained these are taken in a span of 24 hours in both directions, north and southbound. 
> Year 2000 Seasonally Adjusted, 24 Hour, Two-Way Volumes  
> Year 2020 - 24 Hour, Two-Way Volumes of Average Weekday Traffic  

IV.

Noise

Bill Pearson with Transcore presented the CAC with the Arizona Department of Transportation's video on noise and handed out a copy of the General Information on Noise brochure. After the video Bill pointed out the difference between sound energy and decibel level and the relation between increasing traffic and car noise. He also explained the benefits of constructing a continuous noise wall rather than a wall with gaps.

Bill explained how the different sets of data gathered are utilized to create the noise model that is used during the design stage of a project. He noted that this model should be within a certain decibel level. Bill added that traffic speeds also affect noise and the most common mitigation measure is to build walls. The problem is to be able to build a long enough wall to make a difference.

Charles Geoffrion asked if the walls that are already up at some of the neighborhoods in the area would be considered. Bill responded that it all depends on how tall the wall is and the length of it. If you can see the windows on the house, then the wall may not be tall enough.

Don Baker asked about noise reflection on walls towards traffic. Bill explained that when noise hits the walls, it loses energy. Some energy is reflected but reflection is not a major concern compared to protecting the neighbors from the noise.

Charles Geoffrion asked if adding 2 feet to an existing wall at Sunrise Presidio Village would help. Bill agreed that this would be a good mitigation measure and it has been done in the past. (Note that this can be done only if the existing wall and foundation have sufficient structural capacity and stability to carry the increased weight and wind effects.)

Julia Gordon asked if any residents have addressed the team with concerns that these walls might impede their views. Bill acknowledged that this is an issue and assured that the team will take it into consideration.

Lisa Sparr, EEC, pointed out that the Environmental Assessment and Mitigation Report (EAMR) would address aesthetics, animal migration routes among other issues.

Kenneth Keating asked when more noise readings would be taken. Bill responded that the data is being taken now, but because of the recent high winds Tucson has been experiencing, some delay has been encountered. Winds less than 10 mph is preferred. He added that humidity is not a factor like wind and elevation might be (depending on circumstances).

Charles Geoffrion asked if the use of rubberized asphalt is taken into consideration. Sal responded that it is and Pima County's policy calls for a 3-decibel noise level reduction when rubberized asphalt is used.

Julia Gordon asked if the roadbed elevation would change. Craig Allison, EEC, responded that there is some fill work at the wash on the far north end of the project. Other than that it will mostly remain the same. 

V.

Audience Q & A

A member of the audience asked if the readings on the materials that were handed out a year ago contained both kinds of models (existing and future). Sal answered that the numbers are usually of both types. They would have included the actual readings that were taken that day and the projected readings for 20 years down the road.

Charles Geoffrion added that the issue at previous meetings was that in some of the neighborhoods the readings were below 64 and that mitigation would not be needed. But because of the high demand from the neighborhoods to build walls then in some cases it would be considered. Now with rubberized asphalt, he asked what would be the county's position on this issue. Sal responded that the county's threshold for providing noise mitigation is 67. ADOT uses 64-65 and the federal government uses approaching 67. The number that the county uses is actually 70 but with the 3-decibel reduction (for rubberized asphalt) it then would be 67. Any future model prediction above 70 would warrant noise mitigation.

The same audience member also asked if there was any assumption made on extra traffic other than the three- percent increase planned. He asked if there was a step function utilized. Bill responded that the increase is in a 3-percent per year increase all across the board. Again, these numbers are more conservative than the PAG model.

An audience member asked if an increase of truck traffic was taken into consideration. Hank responded that since Craycroft has relatively steep grades; therefore, trucks will try to avoid using this as a commercial trucking route.

The audience asked about doubling traffic flow and the necessity to widen to a four-lane roadway. Bill responded that doubling traffic results in a 3-decibel noise increase. This is the reason why the higher traffic count number will be used, since it will provide higher predicted noise levels.

The meeting concluded at 7:45 p.m. The next CAC meeting was scheduled for Tuesday, May 20th at the same time and place.

  
CORRECTIONS MADE TO THIS SUMMARY WILL APPEAR IN THE SUMMARY OF THE NEXT COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE

 

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